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Congressional UAP Hearings: What Was Said Under Oath

Exterior photograph of the Rayburn House Office Building on the Capitol campus
The Rayburn House Office Building, the third of the three House office buildings on the Capitol campus, completed in 1965. Both of the open hearings in this dossier happened inside it: the May 17, 2022 session in Room 2172, and the July 26, 2023 session in Room 2154.

On July 26, 2023, in Room 2154 of the Rayburn House Office Building, a former intelligence officer told Congress under oath that the United States government holds 'intact and partially intact vehicles of non-human origin,' and that 'biologics' had been recovered from some crash sites. Millions watched it live. He also told the committee how he knew: he had been told, by individuals with direct knowledge, about alleged programs he had never been a direct participant in. That he said those words under oath is one kind of fact, and the record settles it. That the thing the words describe is real is a different kind of fact, and nothing in that room settled it. This dossier is the hearings themselves. Who sat at the table, what came out in open session, what stayed behind the classification line, and exactly where the sworn word stops and the evidence would have to start.

CASE I_2_08 Reliability: The hearings and the sworn testimony are documented fact (Tier 1); the claims that testimony makes are not (Tier 3). 13 sources
Tier 1 · Verified Tier 2 · Credible Tier 3 · Speculative Tier 4 · Dubious

Congress does not do this often. From 1968 until the spring of 2022, there was no open Congressional hearing on unidentified aerial phenomena at all. Then there were two: one in May 2022, in which two senior national security officials sat down in front of an intelligence subcommittee, and one in July 2023, in which a former intelligence officer sat down in front of an oversight subcommittee and testified under oath that individuals with direct knowledge had told him of a multi-decade crash retrieval program. This dossier is about those rooms, and about a third one that had no cameras in it.

It is not a history of UFO disclosure. That long chronology, and the full detail of the legislation these hearings produced, live in our companion dossier 1947 to Now: The Disclosure Timeline. What follows is narrower and, in one specific way, harder. It is the hearings as events. Who was in the chair. Who was at the witness table. What was asked, what was answered, and what got deferred to a closed session. Above all, it holds one line steady that most coverage of these hearings smudges: the difference between a sworn statement being made and a sworn statement being true. Every claim below wears the tier the research file gives it, and the central claim wears two.

01May 2022: The First Open Hearing Since 1968

Official Congressional portrait of Representative André Carson of Indiana
The official Congressional portrait of Rep. André Carson, who represents Indiana's 7th district, made in July 2009 for the 111th Congress. Carson chaired the May 17, 2022 subcommittee hearing. This is an identity portrait taken years earlier, not an image from that hearing room.
Tier 1 · verified

On May 17, 2022, the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence convened its Subcommittee on Counterterrorism, Counterintelligence, and Counterproliferation in Room 2172 of the Rayburn House Office Building and held the first open Congressional hearing on unidentified aerial phenomena since 1968. Rep. André Carson of Indiana chaired it. The hearing ran in two parts: an open session the public could watch, and a closed classified session it could not.

Tier 1 · verified

Two witnesses sat at the table, both from inside the national security apparatus. Scott Bray, Deputy Director of Naval Intelligence, and Ronald Moultrie, Under Secretary of Defense for Intelligence and Security. Bray brought something new with him: a previously unreleased video showing an unidentified spherical object passing rapidly past the cockpit of a Navy fighter, played in open session for a Congressional committee and everyone watching it.

Tier 1 · verified

The numbers moved in that room too. Officials disclosed that the UAP Task Force database then held over 400 reports, up from the 144 counted in the ODNI's June 2021 preliminary assessment. They acknowledged 11 documented near-miss incidents between military aircraft and UAP. And they acknowledged, out loud and on the record, that some cases exhibited characteristics that were not immediately explainable. That last admission is the one that mattered most: serving officials telling a Congressional subcommittee, in public, that the file is not closed.

02What The Committee Asked, And What It Got

Official portrait of Ronald S. Moultrie, Under Secretary of Defense for Intelligence and Security
Ronald S. Moultrie, photographed for his official portrait in the Army portrait studio at the Pentagon in Arlington, Virginia, on August 2, 2022. He was then Under Secretary of Defense for Intelligence and Security, the post he held less than three months earlier when he testified at the May 17, 2022 hearing.
Tier 1 · verified

The hearing's other lesson was about the shape of the wall. Bray and Moultrie repeatedly deferred to classification in response to members' questions, and those deferrals frustrated committee members in the room. What the subcommittee got in open session was a database count, a video, and an acknowledgment. What it did not get was answers.

There is a second absence worth naming, because it defines the hearing that followed. The May 2022 session avoided crash-retrieval allegations and the question of non-human intelligence entirely. Neither subject was on the table. When Congress next sat down in public with UAP witnesses, both would be, and one witness would put them there himself.

03July 2023: Three Witnesses, One Oath

Tier 1 · verified

On July 26, 2023, the House Oversight Committee's Subcommittee on National Security, the Border, and Foreign Affairs took Room 2154 in the same building and produced the most-viewed UAP hearing in history. Millions watched it live across C-SPAN and other media platforms. Whatever else the hearing did or did not establish, it moved the subject out of the specialist press and into the country's living rooms in a single sitting.

Official Congressional portrait of Representative Anna Paulina Luna of Florida
The official Congressional portrait of Rep. Anna Paulina Luna, who represents Florida's 13th district, from the 118th Congress. That is the same Congress that held the July 26, 2023 hearing she co-led. It is a studio portrait, not a photograph from the hearing.
Tier 1 · verified

Reps. Tim Burchett of Tennessee and Anna Paulina Luna of Florida led the hearing. Three witnesses testified under oath: David Grusch, a former intelligence officer who had served with the UAP Task Force and the NRO; Cmdr. David Fravor, U.S. Navy retired, the pilot of the 2004 Nimitz encounter; and Ryan Graves, a former F/A-18F pilot and the executive director of Americans for Safe Aerospace.

Notice the shape of that witness list before anybody speaks. Two of the three men were there to describe things they had personally seen from the cockpit of a fighter jet. The third was there to describe something he had never seen, inside an alleged program he had never been part of, on the word of people who told him. All three were under oath. Only two were eyewitnesses to their own testimony, and that distinction does more work in this story than any single sentence spoken in the room.

The two open Congressional UAP hearings this dossier covers, both held in the Rayburn House Office Building. Tier 1 in the research file.
DateCommitteeSettingWitnesses
May 17, 2022House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, Subcommittee on Counterterrorism, Counterintelligence, and Counterproliferation; chaired by Rep. André Carson (D-IN)Room 2172; an open session plus a closed classified session; the first open Congressional UAP hearing since 1968Scott Bray, Deputy Director of Naval Intelligence; Ronald Moultrie, Under Secretary of Defense for Intelligence and Security
July 26, 2023House Oversight Committee, Subcommittee on National Security, the Border, and Foreign Affairs; led by Reps. Tim Burchett (R-TN) and Anna Paulina Luna (R-FL), with bipartisan support from Reps. Jared Moskowitz (D-FL) and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY)Room 2154; open session; the most-viewed UAP hearing in history, with millions of live viewersDavid Grusch, former UAP Task Force and NRO intelligence officer; Cmdr. David Fravor (USN ret.); Ryan Graves, former F/A-18F pilot

04The Sworn Word, And The Thing It Points At

Tier 1 · verified

Here is what David Grusch said, under oath, on July 26, 2023. That he had been told, by individuals with direct knowledge, of a 'multi-decade UAP crash retrieval and reverse-engineering program.' That the United States government possesses 'intact and partially intact vehicles of non-human origin.' And that 'biologics,' biological material of non-human origin, were recovered from some of the crash sites. The Tier 1 fact here is precise, and it is not a small one: those words were spoken, under oath, in a Congressional hearing, and they sit in the Congressional Record and on the C-SPAN tape where anyone can check them.

Tier 3 · speculative

And here is the thing that testimony points at, which is a different claim wearing a different tier. That the United States government possesses recovered non-human vehicles and biologics remains unverified by publicly available evidence as of early 2026. No physical evidence has been produced publicly. No program documentation has surfaced publicly. No witness with direct access has come forward publicly. The claim rests on Grusch's testimony, and his testimony rests, by his own account, on what others told him: he was told by people he identifies as having direct knowledge, and he was not himself a direct participant in the alleged programs. The research file grades that Tier 3, and no amount of gravity in the hearing room moves it.

A man swore under oath that individuals with direct knowledge had told him the United States holds intact craft of non-human origin. That the words were said is Tier 1. That the thing they describe is real is Tier 3. Both of those are true at the same time, and holding them apart is the entire discipline this hearing asks for.
Official Congressional portrait of Representative Tim Burchett of Tennessee
The official Congressional portrait of Rep. Tim Burchett, who represents Tennessee's 2nd district, dated March 4, 2025 for the 119th Congress. Burchett co-led the July 26, 2023 hearing at which this testimony was given; this portrait was made roughly 20 months afterward and is not an image from the hearing room.
Tier 1 · verified

The open session had a floor under it, and the floor was classification. Grusch testified that he knew 'the exact locations' involved and could name the specific programs, and that he had already provided exactly that information to the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community and to the Congressional intelligence committees in classified settings. In the open session, on camera, he declined to give the program names or the locations, citing classification. The most load-bearing detail in his account was, by his own testimony, delivered somewhere the public cannot follow.

Tier 1 · verified

He also testified to what it had cost him. Grusch told the committee that after he filed his complaint with the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community, he was subjected to 'very brutal' reprisal actions. That is his sworn characterization, and it is Tier 1 in exactly the same careful sense as the rest: the statement was made, under oath, on the record.

05Firsthand: What The Two Pilots Told The Committee

Tier 1 · verified

Cmdr. David Fravor did not testify about what he had been told. He testified about what he flew. Fravor gave the committee a detailed account of his 2004 Nimitz encounter: a white, Tic Tac-shaped object that showed instantaneous acceleration and appeared aware of his aircraft's movements, accelerating, by his estimate, well beyond anything known technology can do. This dossier keeps him where the hearing kept him, at what he told the committee. The radar tracks, the additional witnesses and the sensor data behind that encounter are the subject of our flagship case file, The Nimitz Tic Tac.

Tier 1 · verified

Ryan Graves testified to something less cinematic and, for a legislature, far more actionable. During his own squadron's East Coast F/A-18 training operations, UAP encounters were a routine flight-safety concern. Not a mystery, a hazard. What he described is a mechanism for undercounting: military pilots fear career reprisal for reporting UAP, and the reporting culture, as it stands, is inadequate.

The three witnesses of July 26, 2023, and the different footing each one stood on. That all three testified is Tier 1; what the secondhand testimony describes is Tier 3.
WitnessBasis Of KnowledgeWhat He Told The Committee
David Grusch, former UAP Task Force and NRO intelligence officerSecondhand, by his own account: told by individuals with direct knowledge, and not himself a direct participant in the alleged programsA multi-decade UAP crash retrieval and reverse-engineering program; 'intact and partially intact vehicles of non-human origin'; 'biologics' recovered from some crash sites; 'very brutal' reprisals after his complaint to the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community
Cmdr. David Fravor, USN ret.Firsthand: he flew the 2004 Nimitz encounter himselfA white, Tic Tac-shaped object showing instantaneous acceleration and apparent awareness of his aircraft's movements, accelerating well beyond any known technology
Ryan Graves, former F/A-18F pilotFirsthand: his own squadron's East Coast F/A-18 training operationsUAP encounters as a routine flight-safety concern; military pilots fearing career reprisal for reporting; a reporting culture he called inadequate

06A Room Both Parties Walked Into

Official Congressional portrait of Representative Jared Moskowitz of Florida
The official Congressional portrait of Rep. Jared Moskowitz, who represents Florida's 23rd district, dated April 27, 2023. That is three months before the July 26, 2023 hearing, which the record names him, alongside Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, as having supported on a bipartisan basis. A studio portrait, not a hearing-room photograph.
Tier 1 · verified

One fact about the July 2023 hearing gets buried under the testimony, and it may well outlast it. Burchett (R-TN) and Luna (R-FL) led it, and it carried bipartisan support from Reps. Jared Moskowitz (D-FL) and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY). Two Republicans convened it, two Democrats backed it, and that is on the record as plainly as anything a witness said.

Tier 2 · credible

The cross-party interest did not stop at the hearing room door. Multiple members of Congress from both parties have said in media interviews that classified UAP briefings contained 'disturbing' and 'eye-opening' information, and Senators Rubio and Gillibrand, among others, have publicly expressed concern about how adequately the executive branch shares UAP-related program information with Congress. The file grades this Tier 2, credible, and the reason is worth stating: these are public characterizations, by named officials, of briefings the public has not seen. That is a real signal about the state of the record. It is not a verified fact about what the briefings contain.

07Credible And Urgent, And What That Does Not Mean

Tier 2 · credible

One phrase out of this whole story travels further than any other, usually stripped of the thing that gives it meaning. Thomas Monheim, the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community, determined that Grusch's complaint was 'credible and urgent.' That is not a verdict on whether he is right. It is a formal legal threshold determination under the Intelligence Community Whistleblower Protection Act, and what it means is specific: the ICIG found sufficient basis to forward the complaint to the Congressional intelligence committees. The research file is explicit about this, and so is this dossier. 'Credible and urgent' is a procedural finding that a complaint clears a bar and must move. It is not a finding that the complaint is correct.

08What The Hearings Set In Motion

Tier 1 · verified

The questioning did not end with the cameras; it moved behind a door. On November 30, 2023, the Senate Armed Services Committee received a classified briefing from Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick, then the Director of AARO. A different chamber, a different committee, a different witness, and no public transcript. Whatever the Senate was told that day about the claims sworn to the House in July, the country was not told.

The hearings also had legislative consequence, and this dossier keeps that thread deliberately short: successive National Defense Authorization Acts renamed AOIMSG to AARO, gave AARO statutory authority, and carried the UAP Disclosure Act provisions of the Schumer-Rounds-Gillibrand-Rubio amendment, whose strongest 'eminent domain' clause was significantly weakened during conference negotiations. The section numbers, the dates and the full provision text belong to 1947 to Now: The Disclosure Timeline, which carries them properly.

Tier 1 · verified

And then the government's own review answered the testimony. AARO's Historical Record Report Vol. I, released in March 2024, reviewed the leads provided by Grusch and other witnesses and concluded that it found 'no evidence' of extraterrestrial technology or a hidden reverse-engineering program, a conclusion directly at odds with what had been sworn to the same Congress eight months earlier. That single fact is carried here from 1947 to Now: The Disclosure Timeline, where the full account of that report, and the argument over it, properly lives. It is here only to close the arc these hearings opened.

09What The Hearings Did Not Prove

Tier 4 · unsupported

So here is the sentence the research file refuses outright, and this dossier refuses it too. The Congressional hearings did not prove extraterrestrial contact. What they did establish is real and it is enough to matter: that UAP are a legitimate national security concern, that military encounters with them are ongoing, and that one intelligence-community whistleblower made extraordinary claims the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community deemed credible and urgent. Proof of non-human origin has not been publicly presented. Not in Room 2172, not in Room 2154, not since. Marked unsupported in the file, and no.

Fast Facts

The First Hearing
May 17, 2022, Room 2172 of the Rayburn House Office Building. The House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence's Subcommittee on Counterterrorism, Counterintelligence, and Counterproliferation, chaired by Rep. André Carson (D-IN). The first open Congressional hearing on UAP since 1968, with an open session and a closed classified session.
The 2022 Witnesses
Scott Bray, Deputy Director of Naval Intelligence, and Ronald Moultrie, Under Secretary of Defense for Intelligence and Security. Bray played a previously unreleased video of an unidentified spherical object passing rapidly past a Navy fighter's cockpit.
The Numbers Disclosed
Over 400 UAP reports then in the UAP Task Force database, up from 144 in the ODNI's June 2021 preliminary assessment, plus 11 documented near-miss incidents between military aircraft and UAP.
The Second Hearing
July 26, 2023, Room 2154 of the Rayburn House Office Building. The House Oversight Committee's Subcommittee on National Security, the Border, and Foreign Affairs, led by Reps. Tim Burchett (R-TN) and Anna Paulina Luna (R-FL). The most-viewed UAP hearing in history.
The Sworn Claim
David Grusch testified under oath to a 'multi-decade UAP crash retrieval and reverse-engineering program,' to 'intact and partially intact vehicles of non-human origin,' and to 'biologics' recovered from some crash sites.
The Basis For It
Secondhand, by his own account: he was told by individuals with direct knowledge and was not himself a direct participant in the alleged programs. Tier 1 that he said it under oath; Tier 3 that what he described is so.
The Firsthand Half
Cmdr. David Fravor described the 2004 Nimitz encounter he personally flew, and Ryan Graves described his own squadron's routine East Coast F/A-18 encounters and a reporting culture he called inadequate.
The ICIG Finding
Inspector General of the Intelligence Community Thomas Monheim determined the complaint 'credible and urgent,' a threshold determination under the Intelligence Community Whistleblower Protection Act that sends a complaint to the Congressional intelligence committees. Not a validation of its contents.
The Government's Own Answer
AARO's Historical Record Report Vol. I, March 2024, found 'no evidence' of extraterrestrial technology or a hidden reverse-engineering program, eight months after the sworn testimony. Carried here from the disclosure-timeline file.
The honest bottom line

What The Hearings Actually Established

Tier 1 · yes

The events are not in dispute, and most of them are on tape. Congress held its first open UAP hearing since 1968 on May 17, 2022 in Room 2172 of the Rayburn House Office Building, and its most-viewed one on July 26, 2023 in Room 2154 of the same building. Bray and Moultrie testified in 2022 and deferred repeatedly to classification; Grusch, Fravor and Graves testified under oath in 2023. The UAP Task Force database held over 400 reports, up from 144 in the ODNI's June 2021 assessment, alongside 11 documented near-miss incidents. Grusch's words about a crash retrieval program, non-human vehicles and biologics were spoken under oath and are in the record, as is his statement that he knew the exact locations and had given them only in classified settings. Fravor described his own 2004 encounter, Graves his own squadron's. The Senate Armed Services Committee took a classified AARO briefing from Sean Kirkpatrick on November 30, 2023. All Tier 1, all checkable.

Tier 2 · credible

Two things sit one step down from that. The Inspector General of the Intelligence Community, Thomas Monheim, determined Grusch's complaint 'credible and urgent,' which is a genuine legal threshold determination under the Intelligence Community Whistleblower Protection Act, and which is not an endorsement of the complaint's contents. And members of both parties have publicly described classified UAP briefings as 'disturbing' and 'eye-opening,' with Senators Rubio and Gillibrand among those raising concerns about what the executive branch shares with Congress. Credible characterizations, by named people, of material nobody outside those rooms can check. Tier 2.

Tier 3 · speculative

The claim everyone came for stays speculative, and this dossier keeps it there. That the United States government possesses recovered non-human vehicles and biologics is unverified by publicly available evidence as of early 2026: no physical evidence, no program documentation, and no direct-access witness has come forward publicly. It rests on testimony that its own witness described as secondhand, given by a man who was not himself a direct participant in the alleged programs he described. That does not make him a liar and it does not make him wrong. It makes the claim Tier 3. Sworn is not the same as shown.

Tier 4 · no

And one claim is refused outright, because the research file refuses it. The hearings did not prove extraterrestrial contact. They established that UAP are a legitimate national security concern, that military encounters are ongoing, and that one whistleblower's complaint cleared the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community's credible-and-urgent bar. Proof of non-human origin has not been publicly presented, and AARO's own later review reported finding no evidence of it. Anyone telling you those hearings settled the question is selling you the one thing the record does not contain. Tier 4, no.

Strip the hearings back to what they actually delivered and you get something stranger than either the believers or the debunkers wanted. Congress asked. In 2022 it was told, repeatedly, that the answer was classified. In 2023 a witness told it the answer was enormous, and then told it that the specifics were classified too, and had already been handed over behind a closed door. In November of that year the Senate took its own briefing behind another one. Every move in that sequence is on the public record, and not one of them is proof of anything except how tightly this subject is held. Which leaves the question the hearings opened and did not close: if what Grusch told those committees is sitting in a classified file somewhere with the exact locations attached, who is cleared to read it, and what happens on the day one of them decides the rest of us should?

Sources & further reading

Everything above is drawn from our research library on Theories of Anything, and every claim traces to the files below. The primary file is I_2_08, the timeline and key testimony of the Congressional UAP hearings, which carries the May 2022 and July 2023 hearing records, the witness lists, the open-session and classified-session split, Grusch's sworn statements and the Tier 3 grading of what they assert, the pilots' firsthand accounts, the ICIG's 'credible and urgent' determination, and the Tier 4 refusal this dossier ends on. The disclosure-timeline file owns the long chronology and the legislation in full; the Nimitz file owns the Fravor case forensics; the whistleblower, investigation-program and AARO-oversight files each go deeper on a thread this dossier only touches. Open the full files to check the sourcing and go further.

Image credits

  • Rayburn House Office Building, exterior USCapitol, the official U.S. Capitol Flickr account, via Wikimedia Commons. Public domain
  • Rep. André Carson, official Congressional portrait United States Congress, via Wikimedia Commons. Public domain
  • Ronald S. Moultrie, Under Secretary of Defense for Intelligence and Security U.S. Army photo by William Pratt, via Wikimedia Commons. Public domain
  • Rep. Anna Paulina Luna, official Congressional portrait US House of Representatives, via Wikimedia Commons. Public domain
  • Rep. Tim Burchett, official Congressional portrait House Creative Services, via Wikimedia Commons. Public domain
  • Rep. Jared Moskowitz, official Congressional portrait Ike Hayman, Office of the Chief Administrative Officer, via Wikimedia Commons. Public domain